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10.31.2014

***** detail. FRIENDS, I NEED YOUR HELP: Please give me your best guidance on this. Christian Zionism came on my radar screen as central to why the US supports Israel's Insane, Sociopathic, genocide of Palestinians... when this summer I heard Noam Chomsky make a comment, no more than a sentence or two, that Christian Zionism is roughly 60 million Americans and much more powerful influencing congress than even AIPAC. Yet, I see Christian Zionism discussed and focused on little if any among the Free Palestine community of activists. Huh??? .... (detail)

FRIENDS, I NEED YOUR HELP:  Please give me your best guidance on this.  Christian Zionism came on my radar screen as central to why the US supports Israel's Insane, Sociopathic, genocide of Palestinians... when this summer I heard Noam Chomsky make a comment, no more than a sentence or two, that Christian Zionism is roughly 60 million Americans and much more powerful influencing congress than even AIPAC.  Yet, I see Christian Zionism discussed and focused on little if any among the Free Palestine community of activists. Huh???

So, it has been on my radar screen, but in the last few days, it has moved onto my screen and now takes over about 80-90% of it, with my viewing of three videos, most consequentially this one by Dr. Stephen Sizer:  http://vimeo.com/29738567 .  But the two that proceeded it for me this week also were huge:  First I came across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6VpMYAVms , and with some follow-on  research to delve deeper into Alison Weir's work than I'd gone before here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_5iOYsHFQ

WHAT HELP DO I NEED FROM YOU DEAR FRIENDS? 
1. IS IT NOT TRUE THAT
a. IF WE DON'T STOP THE CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS WE WON'T FREE PALESTINE? 
b. CHRISTIAN ZIONISM IS / ZIONISTS ARE 80% OF THE PROBLEM TO BE OVERCOME?  (Pretty unlikely to solve a problem if we don't accurately diagnose what the problem is.) 

2.  IF I am correct in this assessment...
a. what resources can you point me to regarding situation, and MOST IMPORTANTLY - STRATEGY! and
b. IF THIS IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM... WHY IS NO ONE SEEMINGLY TALKING ABOUT IT?!?!??!!?!? 
I'm diving into deep study on this so if you have some input for me... the sooner the better.  :-)  :-(
Thanks for all you do.

--------- fb dialog on this post ----

SB: Not sure what you want me to read, exactly. I've read your post, featured there, and ur page. I've seen other vids, delving into the same topic. Yes, the believers/
fanatics - evangelical Christians pushing for Armageddon, and is serves the Zionist agenda as much as the Jewish Zionists. I believe both are propaganda 'stories' serving geopolitical control for Full Spectrum Dominance. However it seems that there are more people aware of the Far-Right Christian Evangelical doomsday storyline, than there are of people who understand the difference between spiritual Judaism and Zionism. People have been taught 'they are the same, and that Jews were persecuted so you can't criticize them or you're anti-semite'. There is currently much more deception in the 'Jewish' propaganda story, as I see it, but both run parallel and toward the same aim. These look like good vids, and I will watch. Thanks.
ME: Hmmmm. My interest is not philosophical but physical, physical in the sense of force, weight, power. Neither 5 millions Israeli Zionists... nor all the $$$ of their backers, which I think is huge... even begins to explain to me how 100% of the US congress could vote for the slaughter of Palestine this summer. A factor, yes, but an explanation, no. But 50-100 million US Voters, the Christian Zionists... YES, THAT WOULD DO IT. No? If YES, then THERE WILL BE NO PEACE FOR PALESTINE UNTIL WE SOLVE THE CHRISTIAN ZIONIST PROBLEM. I'm totally willing to see this assesment is wrong, but if it is correct... it needs to become central in activist thinking and efforts, and not the occasional peripheral that I see... no?
SB:  Zionism has been deceptive, playing the religious fanatics. I don't know what you mean by "central", or even activist.. or "the problem" per-se that must be solved. We need to broaden more and more people's understanding to facts of actual history, not further the storyline agenda. . . The only thing that comes to mind to me, really, at this moment is: "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
ME: I'm glad for your thoughts, but I we seem to be two trains passing in the night on this one. We can't solve problems if we don't have a correct diagnosis. The understanding I'm now finding correct is that not Jewish Zionism, Jewish propaganda, ignorance of the Nakba... etc... are key. Important, but not 20% of the answer... not if there are 80 million fanatic Americans dying for the cleansing of Palestine, tearing down the Dome of the Rock and replacing it with the Temple... to bring on Armageddon for the rest of us and Heaven for themselves. 80 million rabid, insane votors... THIS explains the 66 years of policy insanity to me... nothing else has... but this does. No?
SB: Well I agree with you, 80-100 Million evangelicals is a huge force, indeed.
ME: As I say, I am grateful for your comments. I'm not only willing, but EAGER to see if this new 'centrality' for me of the Christian Zionists is incorrect because I have no time to waste. WE have no time to waste. But I've been deeply aware for years and years that 'it just didn't add up' that 100% of the US congress could do what they are doing... let alone 66 years of insane us policy. NOW IT MAKES SENSE. 200+ YEARS OF INSANE, PSYCHOTIC, EXPANDING CHR'STIAN ZIONISM... 80 MILLION IN THE US... NOW IT MAKES SENSE. IF this is true, IF this is correct... I really think we need to turn and face that THIS is the army slaughtering Palestine... the IDF, Netanyahu, jewish Zionism... are almost irrelevant, almost a distraction.This army of 80 million is the one we need to defeat. I'm desperate to run this to ground. If you have resources to read or dialog with I'd sure be grateful.
 SB:  The religious story-lines, still only feed the geopolitical agenda for World Dominance. I see it as the same forces that got us into all the other World Wars: the Fourth Reich in bed with the bankers, and multinational corporations.
SB:  I agree with you to some extent,. . .I just don't want to fight, physically with my energy, with anyone, but stand against Zionism.
ME: Until this week I would have agreed with you. Even now, I concur that there is an unholy alliance, but now I think: take away the bankers, multinationals.
.. and Palestine Genocide still happens; but stop the chr'stian zionists... it stops. No?
SB:  actually no, the Bankers will always find a way to pin Belief vs Belief, imho
SB: So,... educating the evangelicals is as important as educating the Jewish zionists. We've all been 'had' and manipulated. Humans need to find their way back to their humanity and compassion. . . . underneath all those 'religious beliefs'. . . .
ME: This is our first dialog, you and I. I am VERY intense, NOT because I want to win a argument or win a point. NEVER! I want to reach a solid understanding AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. The force I believe in with all my being is the one that Gandhi believed in - Truth Force. That's where my intensity comes from. Pls never worry if we agree or disagree. I don't care! Getting to the Truth of a crucial situation is what I care about. Hugs.
ME: To your last comment: I don't know what impact on strategy should result from figuring the chr'stian zionist army hoard into the equation centrally. Educating them, ignoring them and raising an army of sane folks (which is sort of what 'we' have been trying to do), other??? I don't know. But I AM SURE it is crucial to understand what is going on clearly and accurately... as the basis for how we direct our scarce resources. This chr'n zionism is really eathshakingly important in my view... so far. As to your other comment: Humans need to find their way back to their humanity and compassion. . . . underneath all those 'religious beliefs'. . . .. I don't know if you and I corresponded when my 'name' was still Start Loving? I had to back away from that when I was spending so much time in the 'system' fighting my cancer for so long starting 2.5 years ago. "Start Loving" wasn't my 'name' because I thought it cute, but because becoming Loving, making our Humanity, our Compassion CENTRAL TO OUR BEING... is the only possible way to prevent our final, near certain, plunge off the existential cliff we are so desperately intent on as a 2014 species. Yes, yes, yes. I think the only way to do that is to individually be burning so white-hot with the DOING of that compassion... that it just might cause others to catch fire fast enough... to be in time. BTW, no offense intended to anyone, I detest all of the organized religions... cuz they have, are, moving us in exactly the opposite direction.

SB:  No sane, rational human, in touch with their humanity, and armed with the truth would ever condone any of the murdering or colonization that is going on in the name of 'ISMs', the hate is all taught. hugs

ME: Wonderfully said. I posted our dialog, anonymously, at the bottom of the post on my blog linked to above.

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